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JSheerXeno54 4/4/2021 8:30 PM
XD
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KiTkAT( •̀ .̫ •́ )✧/jk 4/4/2021 8:30 PM
literally first line...
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being too lazy to look up sources doesn't disprove shit
8:31 PM
and?
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KiTkAT( •̀ .̫ •́ )✧/jk 4/4/2021 8:31 PM
where is the paper with peer review?
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JSheerXeno54 4/4/2021 8:31 PM
u think the normal scientists wanna prove something they dont care about?
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KiTkAT( •̀ .̫ •́ )✧/jk 4/4/2021 8:31 PM
there are no sources here
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JSheerXeno54 4/4/2021 8:31 PM
however when theyre handed the facts, they cant really disprove it
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JSheerXeno54
u think the normal scientists wanna prove something they dont care about?
KiTkAT( •̀ .̫ •́ )✧/jk 4/4/2021 8:31 PM
please show me not evangelical scientists saying it
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JSheerXeno54 4/4/2021 8:32 PM
i dont have any specific sources but please, i went through all this stuff for home school
8:32 PM
we spent 1 year looking up bibical stuff from OTHER sources
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KiTkAT( •̀ .̫ •́ )✧/jk 4/4/2021 8:32 PM
that is a big claim and requires solid source
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JSheerXeno54 4/4/2021 8:32 PM
and compairing the bible to other things
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A WHOLE SCHOOL YEAR!!! of things
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KiTkAT( •̀ .̫ •́ )✧/jk 4/4/2021 8:32 PM
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If it means anything, I've had discussions with atheist professors and teachers who believe the bible to be true
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KiTkAT( •̀ .̫ •́ )✧/jk 4/4/2021 8:32 PM
others, well, aren't so sure
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and some aren't so sure the world is round
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KiTkAT( •̀ .̫ •́ )✧/jk 4/4/2021 8:33 PM
i don't know who you talked to
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JSheerXeno54 4/4/2021 8:33 PM
i couldnt tell u where to find any of that but trust me when i say this.... its on the internet
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KiTkAT( •̀ .̫ •́ )✧/jk
Click to see attachment 🖼️
New role model
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New role model
KiTkAT( •̀ .̫ •́ )✧/jk 4/4/2021 8:33 PM
"yeah i'm out of this beauty contest"
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lol
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JSheerXeno54 4/4/2021 8:33 PM
oof
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KiTkAT( •̀ .̫ •́ )✧/jk 4/4/2021 8:34 PM
ice have you read that article?
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lol
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it's hilarious
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I read similar articles when it first happened in 2019
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KiTkAT( •̀ .̫ •́ )✧/jk
bummer, i was hoping i would get a cat familiar
Meow.
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KiTkAT( •̀ .̫ •́ )✧/jk 4/4/2021 8:34 PM
A team of evangelical Christian explorers claim they've found the remains of Noah's ark beneath snow and volcanic debris on Turkey's Mount Ararat (map). But some archaeologists and historians are taking the latest claim that Noah's ark has been found about as seriously as they have past ones—which is to say not very. "I don't know of any expedition that ever went looking for the ark and didn't find it," said Paul Zimansky, an archaeologist specializing in the Middle East at Stony Brook University in New York State.
8:34 PM
lol
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kitkat, I ask, what're your beliefs?
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JSheerXeno54 4/4/2021 8:35 PM
obviously nobodys gonna find the arc because... it rotted away into nothing!
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KiTkAT( •̀ .̫ •́ )✧/jk 4/4/2021 8:35 PM
Skepticism of the new Noah's ark claim extends to at least one scholar who interprets the Bible literally.
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that is likely
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KiTkAT( •̀ .̫ •́ )✧/jk 4/4/2021 8:35 PM
ice i'm reading your article you pasted
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JSheerXeno54
where as the abrahamic religions are more literal
And thus... boring af by comparison
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KiTkAT( •̀ .̫ •́ )✧/jk 4/4/2021 8:35 PM
most of it is dismissing the discovery
8:35 PM
did you read it?
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JSheerXeno54 4/4/2021 8:36 PM
lol
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KiTkAT( •̀ .̫ •́ )✧/jk 4/4/2021 8:36 PM
even creationists don't believe it
8:36 PM
lol
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then it was a shitty point for me to bring up
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KiTkAT( •̀ .̫ •́ )✧/jk 4/4/2021 8:36 PM
that's pretty funny
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JSheerXeno54 4/4/2021 8:36 PM
well i mean.... its hard to prove where a boat thats been gone for thoasand sof years landed
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Deleted User 4/4/2021 8:36 PM
Imo there are and there were many arks + you can build your own as well. Not sure about the original one
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JSheerXeno54 4/4/2021 8:36 PM
esptially in a region where, u probaby couldnt find any traces of it left
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KiTkAT( •̀ .̫ •́ )✧/jk 4/4/2021 8:37 PM
anyway, gotta eat something now!
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JSheerXeno54 4/4/2021 8:37 PM
finding the arc is like finding a barried treasure!
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KiTkAT( •̀ .̫ •́ )✧/jk
anyway, gotta eat something now!
have fun don't choke
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JSheerXeno54 4/4/2021 8:37 PM
u can look all over the place and u may or may not find it
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doesnt mean it aint there somewhere
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oof
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JSheerXeno54
u think the normal scientists wanna prove something they dont care about?
If it was actually good evidence for proving anything like that, I can PROMISE you theyd be interested. 😂
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JSheerXeno54 4/4/2021 8:42 PM
im sure, but normal scientist have no interest in proving Religion
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untrue
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JSheerXeno54 4/4/2021 8:42 PM
so it has that working against it
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it may not be something they work towards actively, but I think most scientist want the truth, period
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They would if there was anything of substance.
8:43 PM
But people just keep putting forth the same tired stuff that keeps falling apart, it's gonna make them start rolling their eyes when they hear similar claims yet again.
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perhaps so
8:44 PM
at the end of the day, no one knows for sure till after they've breathed their last
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I will say most are probably not gonna put in the effort unless something bubbles up that's specifically promising.
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JSheerXeno54 4/4/2021 8:44 PM
thats how all science works though
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JSheerXeno54 4/4/2021 8:47 PM
bottom line is... nobody can disprove or prove it nessesarily right now... however i personally believe it and nothing will change that
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and everyone is entitled to their opinions
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Calyra 👻 4/4/2021 8:48 PM
The principle of parsimony was what finally broke me out of my faith. Plus one other thing.
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JSheerXeno54 4/4/2021 8:48 PM
you mean having faith?
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what was the other thing?
8:48 PM
johavah's withnesses? XD
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JSheerXeno54
bottom line is... nobody can disprove or prove it nessesarily right now... however i personally believe it and nothing will change that
^
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Calyra 👻 4/4/2021 8:59 PM
I used to be Catholic.
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JSheerXeno54 4/4/2021 8:59 PM
ah.... the mary thing?
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how they worhsip her for some reason?
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No, I used to argue about intelligent design stuff or at least how I understood it. I accepted evolution, I just thought it was god that put everything in motion. There was one atheist on a forum I used to argue with and when other people would jump in with what I thought were bad arguments regarding the god side of things, I would preemptively shoot them down myself because I didn't want to be associated with bad arguments. Eventually I just realized there weren't actually any good ones.
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But the principle of parsimony was the final kicker for me, I couldn't really come up with any compelling reason why the model needed god.
11:19 PM
One of my favorite interactions I've read about ever that I think captures it for me:
Someone once quoted Shakespeare to the philosopher W. V. O. Quine: There are more things in heaven and earth than are dreamt of in your philosophy. To which Quine is said to have responded: Possibly, but my concern is that there not be more things in my philosophy than are in heaven and earth.
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According to Kabbalah, Jewish (and Christian) occultism, the tree of knowledge of good and evil is not a literal tree, so you can still use sephiroth or kliphoth without worrying about a physical place in the Middle East. (edited)
4:29 AM
Troy may have existed, and the Iliad may say where it was, and Greece may have attacked it, but the Iliad may also be a mythical retelling of the story which can be interpreted. (edited)
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I'm aware of evidence for a great flood, though I've not been reading the peer-reviews things (I have looked at Greenland ice core data though), instead watching youtube videos about it. The sea level rose a lot at the end of the ice age. There's the younger dryas impact hypothesis which says the North American ice shelf was hit by something, making extinct most big mammals in the area. A field of mammoths has been excavated, many with their legs broken, and some with food still in their mouths. A big enough wave from that may have reached other parts of the world and washed away people and things, like Africa which from satellite pictures looks like it has huge water erosion, and the sahara is of sea sand. Where coastal societies lived would have become underwater. The earth layer from that time is like the layer from the dinosaur extinction with carbon and iridium and nanodiamonds, and in an area around North America droplets of glass are found. There are some waterfalls with huge undercuts (the word wikipedia used for them) which are not being eroded by their current amount of water, so maybe at some point there was a huge amount of water flowing such that at the bottom of the waterfall it vortexed and eroded the rock under the waterfall so far? (edited)
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I think that's up for personal interpretation
That answer is unclear though. I get that you think they thought other religions were wrong, and that the myths are both literally incorrect and without any figurative meaning, and that they were made up as mistaken ways to understand things they did not understand, and that when an Egyptian priest interpreted a Greek myth figuratively what he really meant was that the Greek myth was wrong, and that Shiva was originally literally a man sitting on a cloud and only later came to mean an aspect of the mind, but I am asking why you think that. I don't understand your answer about it being up for personal interpretation as an answer to the question of why pagan myths have no hidden meaning, and the rain represents only the rain (I'm saying rain because you gave rain as an example of a myth which is not literally true). We can agree that the book of Revelation(s?) is figurative, for example the white linen representing something other than literal white linen. I am uncertain what you (you in the plural sense) think of pagan myths. You said Judaism was literal while paganism was figurative, but you also said that the pagan myths were believed literally. There is the view that people who don't understand the myths may believe them literally, but they are meant to solve the riddles and understand their occult meaning (keeping the truth from the unworthy?), and I get that you think this is untrue, but I am asking you why you think it is untrue. (edited)
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Sorry, there is a problem You do not have permission to view this content. Sorry, there is a problemhttps://community.tulpa.info/topic/16924-holo-beings-beyond-tulpas/ :c (edited)
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Sorry, there is a problem You do not have permission to view this content. Sorry, there is a problemhttps://community.tulpa.info/topic/16924-holo-beings-beyond-tulpas/ :c (edited)
A long kiss goodnight 4/5/2021 11:06 AM
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In the Dogon religion the masks they use in certain dances represent things, and a Frenchman by the name of Marcel Griaule was asking a lot of questions about their religion and getting some answers, and he was persistent and worked out what the masks meant, and the priests decided to actually answer his questions honestly and let him be initiated into their religion, which he was, and he published a book on it before his untimely demise. Maybe some people literally believe what the Dogon priests say, but there's also the idea that there is hidden meaning behind the design of their granary and their alphabet and their rituals, and maybe also their myths. So the masks represent things. Given that things can be used to represent other things, it's possible that myths are actually metaphors, like the book of Revelation(s?), given that there is at least some occulting of meaning in at least some cases. I've read somewhere that Marcus Aurelius said that the gods were metaphors, though I don't know what the primary source for that claim is. In some Grimoires there's a bit where you take a black hen, during the night while she's sleeping, you take her by the neck so she can't say anything, and you go to a crossroad, and looking towards sunrise you behead her, or something like that. (Please don't actually do this) There's the literal act of doing this, and then there's the possibility for figurative interpretation, like maybe the hen is married to the cockerel who represents the dawn, and she's black like night, and there's an esoteric meaning of being beheaded, and maybe east represents the right half of the brain, or something. ps corrected subjective to figurative (edited)
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What do you think about syncretic theories
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My opinion is that I don't know what religion is, but one view would be that if the different religions have their own exoteric things behind which is the esoteric they share, then it would be valid to combine religions, if not all parts are literal anyway, as long as the resulting religion was correct, and maybe combining religions would appease the people that take all of the religion literally. If there is conflict between the religions then it may be harder. Some think Christianity did not originally have the trinity. Some people think there's a demiurge. This gave me a thought and I checked with the interweb and apparently there's esoteric Islam https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Esoteric_interpretation_of_the_Quran If that's not the case, then you could risk combining a true religion with a false religion maybe I imagine. (edited)
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can magic spells affect real major stuff you do in the real world like for example how your dog will act around you once you get one
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Albino Elephant 4/13/2021 5:47 AM
Definitely. I actually have a spell going that increases trust of people to me and that works on animals as well. Perks always say how weird it is their shy or hostile animals are so friendly and open to me.
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Burn shan't the Creep 👺 4/14/2021 8:11 AM
Differing opinion: no, magic spells will not affect the real world, your dog will likely react to you, according to its instincts and previous experiences. For example if you're more relaxed , confident and open with dogs (or most other domesticated animals) they will be friendly or at the very least passive in opposite if you're jittery, nervous, uninviting the animal will most likely feel a sense of discomfort or in more extreme cases threatened. In some animals learned behavior changes that and especially with infant animals (puppies, kittens, ...etc.), hand feeding and washing animals from a young age makes them less averse to having baths or unlikely to bite if someone sticks their hand in the feeding bowl while they are eating. Another example would be guard dogs who are raised to not trust strangers and trespassers. (edited)
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JSheerXeno54 4/14/2021 9:14 AM
that kind of stuff does exist though (edited)
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Burn shan't the Creep 👺 4/14/2021 9:19 AM
I have yet to see concrete proof and or repeatability of the effects in a controlled environment
9:26 AM
It's easy to say you've personally experienced the effects of "magic", but personal experiences can at times be deceiving and usually an effect of your own beliefs influencing the outcome on results as such. People as themselves are bad at examining their own experiences as proof and would need a third uninvolved person to examine the event to see if it has any merit.
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KiTkAt( •̀ .̫ •́ )✧ 🌺 [Kaleido] BOT 4/14/2021 9:50 AM
Definitely. I actually have a spell going that increases trust of people to me and that works on animals as well. Perks always say how weird it is their shy or hostile animals are so friendly and open to me.
@Albino Elephant - jump can you cast that spell on someone you met on the internet? what conditions are needed? what are the factors that help you determine it's the effect of the spell rather than a person just trusting you? let's test it
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Albino Elephant 4/14/2021 10:22 AM
All you do is come in here and start arguments... I explained my reasoning from what other people said to me, not based on personal observations.
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Burn shan't the Creep 👺 4/14/2021 10:30 AM
I didn't mean to start any arguments I just answered the question from @Deleted User , about any of your other messages explaining your reasoning I haven't seen any, so I'm sorry if I misunderstood anything, but we can still have a conversation about it and the reasoning around it.
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Burn shan't the Creep 👺
Differing opinion: no, magic spells will not affect the real world, your dog will likely react to you, according to its instincts and previous experiences. For example if you're more relaxed , confident and open with dogs (or most other domesticated animals) they will be friendly or at the very least passive in opposite if you're jittery, nervous, uninviting the animal will most likely feel a sense of discomfort or in more extreme cases threatened. In some animals learned behavior changes that and especially with infant animals (puppies, kittens, ...etc.), hand feeding and washing animals from a young age makes them less averse to having baths or unlikely to bite if someone sticks their hand in the feeding bowl while they are eating. Another example would be guard dogs who are raised to not trust strangers and trespassers. (edited)
@Albino Elephant this answer paired with albino's answer seems to come together since witchcraft to me feels like more meditation and how you feel after it, my theory's that if that does work it's because of the effects of the spell being a type of hypnosis where your body just adapts to acting a certain way around your dog or making sure that it isn't threatened, or maybe not. dunno, nobody knows. just a theory i wanted to throw out there
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and burn what you said is true so i'm going along with that and adding my theory onto that, i do still believe that both opinions are true though
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